One CIVL Person per 30 pilots in Cat 1

Discipline

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What do we want ?

An organizer has to pay all expenses for all members of the CIVL who are present, at the moment there are 4 staff members CIVL needs at a Cat 1. This is a financial pressure and an organizer compensates this by takeing more competitors.

Where a site and safety consideration should be the defining factors on how many pilots in this comp are good.

How do we achieve that ?

For every 30 Pilots, CIVL gets the expenses for one staff member.

So distribute the financial pressure on CIVL too.

If CIVL thinks they need more, they have to find a solution:
- Own budget
- Sponsoring
- Online Jury
- Local CIVL member (not oversea)
- etc.

Issue category :

institutional

Comments

By Martin Grössinger on Tue, 28 Oct 2025 - 13:05

Instead of weakening the organizing team to save costs, we should assign more tasks and responsibilities to the CIVIL stewards. Organizing a CAT1 Event ist komplex and demanding. In the event that an exceptional Situation arise which overhelm the orga, it is beneficial to have experienced stewards available who can step in and fill gaps. But yes - If 4 stewards are simply taking a vacation at the expense of the sport, it's better to reduce their number..

By JD Kugler on Wed, 29 Oct 2025 - 22:55

I find this situation completely crazy. CIVL representatives are employed and get a salary from the CIVL (I guess ?). CAT1 organisers are essentially a service supplier for the CIVL (at least, that's how I picture it in my head). They supply the service of organizing a CAT1 event. In what world does a service supplier pay a customer to be able provide him his services ? This is highly illogical to me. If anything, CIVL should financially support the organizer, not the other way around, and especially since the service provided by the CIVL to the organizer is little to nothing.

However I'm not too sure about the proposed solution. Since the CIVL representatives are employed by the CIVL, shouldn't the CIVL be entirely responsible for their expenses ? And then, if the organization requires additional services from the CIVL representatives, they pay the CIVL in one way or another.

Organiser

By Toni Crottet on Sun, 2 Nov 2025 - 19:42

With a lot of pushing and asking questions. It can be that the CIVL reviews the financial topic. There is one steward assigned (S7 is overruling General Section - GS with this). This steward is helping the organizer in any point. Then a Safety Steward is on site with 2 CIVL Jury members. Makes a total of 4. Their salary is not much (I guess its around 100 $/Euros/CHFs per day) but S7 defines that their expenses is covered by the organizer.

I proposed this to CIVL, but they are scared that severe Issues need 2 Jury members on site. The severe Issues happened apparently once and were expesive and time consuming and I guess the TAS was as well involved at the end.

However, I guess it is good to keep this proposal going. Since I could not find out anything about how many those severe issues were (expected risk) and how much ressources were needed to solve (consequences of an event). Neither i know if they have an insurance for this or if its even "insurable".

GS states that not all Jury members has to be onsite (online Jury Members is possible) and S7 overrules that a Steward and Jury has to be onsite. S7 11.1.6 regulates the expenses. So in this proposal, it is enough to change S7 11.1.6