Organiser
By thomas senac on Sun, 19 Oct 2025 - 15:05

a document about competition harness (for CCC only ?) has been worked out at CIVL level - could be a basis for further thoughts, if needed

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By Hans Bausenwein on Mon, 20 Oct 2025 - 11:05

In my opinion the quality of "one way protection" as used in most comp harnesses is insufficient, even when the protection passes the EN-test.

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Designer
By Luc Armant on Tue, 21 Oct 2025 - 10:07

It is a good idea and it has already been made by a working group of experts, through CIVL, and voted at the plenary 2024.
There is new shock absorption criteria, linked to the short coming new harness EN norm, a maximum weight, a maximum volume, some minimal ergonomic criteria, like no hands of the commands after take-off or before landing. It should be applied in 2026 and the shock absorption criteria refers to the new safer criteria that have been adopted by the EN norm working group (WG6). The new harness EN norm should be published early in 2026, and all new harness model in competition will have to fulfil both the CIVL harness competition class and the EN. For older models (Submarine, etc) the rule will be retroactive in 2029. I can already tell that the submarine will then be excluded with other current models. The delay in the retroaction is meant to not mandate to all pilots to immediately through their current equipment to the bin.
Also note that the new harness EN norm will include a better definition of anti-forgetting system.

If someone finds the link for this newly coming CIVL harness class, please add it here.

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CIVL Delegate
By Tilen Ceglar on Tue, 28 Oct 2025 - 21:28

In reply to by Luc Armant

Is the new EN harness norm available anywhere to read? Or if you have an insight, could you provide a summary? The only thing I heard was the max 42G limit, which sub just about complies with (genie and rocket almost). So in that regard no significant change, or I'm I wrong?

By Jonas Prüssing on Tue, 21 Oct 2025 - 22:54

I like this idea. Competition harnesses should also have adjustable protection sizes so that we can compensate for different glider sizes. Bigger pilots = more protection = more drag. With a clearly defined formula for each wing size, I can calculate how much protection needs to be added to balance out any advantage. This way, we kill two birds with one stone — improving safety while ensuring fair competition.

By Ondřej Pohořelský on Wed, 22 Oct 2025 - 16:13

In reply to by Jonas Prüssing

How would that practically work? If we take the Submarine as reference, you have no protector sticking out of the envelope. You would have to adjust the size of the envelope to add drag.